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Hey Amy, I’m wondering why you hid my comment in your first video?

"Certain" social medias are filled with Gen-Zers. They don't understand that investment of materials makes all the difference. I think it's an after-effect of the early-2000 to late 2010s Copic 'If I get these Japanese markers my art will become amazing" craze on Deviantart and RUclips. Now that the magic has worn off, these disillusioned young artists are sour grapes over tried and true products. And I won't even get into the whole art supply hoarding problem that's taken over YT this last decade. Hours of swatching and making goo-goo eyes over all the colors give them the quick burst of dopamine when they can't/aren't willingly to put in the time or effort to actually create art themselves. Yes, Copics are expensive. Yes, they're non-archival. Neither are lots of fountain pen inks, and those can get crazy expensive per oz. Yes, Ohuhu and Arteza are cheap - but they're white label dropshippers. Generics. Low-quality by design. These companies haven't cracked the code for good products at a bargain. I started my Copic collection over a decade ago. I've tried like a dozen other brands in the meantime and I'll always return to Copic. It's not brand loyalty, it's loyalty to quality. They were the most was expensive, sure, but there's no shame in buying a handful of markers or refills and there. Saving for sales, birthdays, etc. Just like you would with anything else. Thanks for this video Ms. Amy. A lot of younger artists won't like your tone or message because it conflicts with the sparkly-eyed kitten gloves of YTers that only care about free PR and money. It's beyond refreshing to see someone with skills and experience speaking out on this. If anyone knows what they're talking about when it comes to what makes good markers, it's you. Also, you look great for your age!

"You don't blame the YTer...you blame yourself." Oh no, I blame the person recommending. I actually like Ohuhu and can't tell the difference from Copic for what I'm doing. I may outgrow Ohuhu, if I stay with markers. For now they do what I want and get the results I hope for. Even so, I'm steering away from that paper. I've been using the expensive stuff. I really enjoyed your last 2 videos and honest opinion. You're so right that starting artists can get taken in and frustrated.

I'm on a (very) limited income I'm careful now. Xpress It is expensive but worth it. I've had my copics for 14+ years. Cardmakers are inundated with new products endlessly. Now I recycle & reuse. Great video 📹 Amy!!!

The fact that I actually got jump scared when the coffee tipped over 😭

I automatically skip over any influencer video that refers to their sponsored product as a “game changer.” The chances of that being true are slim and none.

"Nobody owes you inexpensive art supplies." :) And thank you for pointing out that when manufacturers' employees are paid a decent wage, the cost of the products goes up!

I’d like to see your thoughts on the OLO brand. They have foam rubber brush tips like copic but are “customizable” meaning you can buy half markers (that hold 2ml of dye) and mix and match them with connector rings. I’m wondering how they hold up to copic. I’ve been thinking of trying them out as an addition to my copics, which I use for illustrations, and ohuhus, which I use for sketches. They haven’t been advertised or sponsored that much but have their own RUclips channel, and I’m wondering if it’s just another gimmick or if it will be another option for artists.

There are only a couple art RUclipsrs I follow other than you - 1 is for her reviews on pencils and pens for coloring, the next a coloring book colorist, one a professional artist who reviews everything but it primarily a water-colorist, and finally a guy just because I love his personality and his comic book art. In my coloring books I use coloring pencils and will be honest I use everything from Crayola, to Brutfuner's 520, Primsacolor and Polychromos but I still ALWAYS use my Copics. The closest I've ever used to Copics was the original Spectrum Noir which they don't even make anymore and their current ones absolutely suck. Prismacolor isn't bad, but no refills and their nibs stink - same with W&N. When I'm doing art for family and friends for gifts - I always use the best; my Copic, Prisma and Poly on X-Press It or Arches if I'm not using markers. The Ohuhu paper barely even picks up pastel colors and just turns everything muddy looking which makes it look like the artist has issues not the crappy paper. Thank you so much for these vids Amy.

This explains why I have had the same experience repeatedly where I'm watching the video going, "the art looks kinda bad..." and then at the end for the "final" shots, it looks really good. It might not even be the same peice...😮

All those Ohuhu product reviews being sponsored is very telling. Apparently even bigger channels have no interest in buying that stuff with their own money and reviewing them. They all only do it when they get it for free. I mean, Ohuhu has been around for a while now. And still most reviews start with "Ohuhu sent me these products to review them". Or: I knew about their products before but had no interest in them until they offered me free gifts and a potential sponsorship.

i got the ohulu paper and used sanjoki markers went fine good blending

I unsubsidized to those RUclipsrs a long time ago. I am on a substitute teacher income and while I can't always afford expensive art supplies I really can't afford products that don't work. I save up for what works now.

You hit the nail on the head when you said these materials are basically what we would find in the bargain section of Target. That’s what really annoys me: these products are often cheaper than premium materials but they are overpriced for what they are. I bought an Arteza watercolor journal that was praised to the skies and its sizing was so bad, paint would suddenly splat out in spiderweb patterns, ruining my work. It was almost a relief when my Labrador ate it. I ended up buying a legacy brand journal, it was only a few dollars more and that paper had my back every time I used it. I love it and will never go back. I think some RUclipsrs believe they are doing a favor to their viewers by recommending cheap things but they are setting people up to fail. So-so or bad materials just are not a bargain and are a bigger waste of money than buying good quality the first time. If I buy four bad $15 journals to avoid buying a legacy brand for $25, where are the savings? I am sticking with tried and true brands. I am sure there are good newcomers but the misinformation is so prevalent that I am just not willing to risk more money or time or frustration. Thank you so much for tackling this important topic so professionally.

This was phenomenal, like I said on my comment on your previous vid. I’m not surprised that the paper is bad tbh the only thing I like about ohuhu is there markers in all honesty and it’s because they got my foot in the door. Without ohuhu i wouldn’t be a full on traditional artist so I’m thankful for that. BUUUUT there’s probably a reason why I’m slowly switching to copics as time goes on

I absolutely LOVED the tone of this video. Guess which exact product I saw advertised during the commercial break? 🙃

Love your videos. I really appreciate your honesty. I learned the hard (and expensive) way over the years. I’d rather but and try a few proven more expensive supplies rather than cheap knock offs. It took years to see yes I can create art. It wasn’t me , it was the cheap supplies that just did not nor would not work

Thanks for the insightful video. I've definitely seen the perplexing demonizing of Copics over the years despite the fact that it's simply been used in all sorts of professions for decades. Off topic, but related to marketing and glowing reviews, I bought into the bar shampoo and conditioner marketing campaign and overwhelmingly positive reviews last year. Within a few months of use, my hair was in the worst state it had ever been-dead, lifeless, no elasticity, dry, thinned, and yet it felt dirtier (and gunky!) than ever. Hair came out in chunks in the shower so I tried to wash my hair less, and yet the simple act of running a brush through my hair took off even more as my hair couldn't withstand the friction of even the gentlest swipe. I kept thinking maybe it was just my hair or that I was using it wrong. I was so sad for my hair and kept hoping it would eventually work out, but it never did. I left a critical review, and the morning after it was posted a representative had already contacted me to offer a refund for the price of the product. At that point, I didn't even care about the money anymore since it would not fix the damage it had done to my hair. Suffice it to say, marketing is very effective, and reviews are often bought or paid to change.

As an artist I hear what you are saying. I do paper sculpture. Using sharp blades to cut my paper and various tools and techniques to get the dimensional effects is important. But the tools and the paper are the basis for good work. If I add color, I want my art supplies to be of excellent quality or it makes days of work look cheap and ugly (and it takes weeks to make one of my paper pieces). I do use markers for my doodle journals, and those markers are cheap ones solely for that purpose. When I’m ready to invest in nice alcohol markers I will make that investment like I have with my pastels, paints and pencils. Using quality papers suitable for the medium you are using is important for the quality of the outcome. I rant with you. ❤

Sponsored videos and ads for cheap markers and marker supplies are everywhere. Are you tired of it? Let's be smarter shoppers and how to deal with misleading recommendation videos. I'll also try to save that sticky mess of a tomato project which was colored on Ohuhu's Bleed-Proof Marker Pad. Resource page for this video - markernovice.com/best-paper/ohuhu-marketing Part 1 Review-ish for Ohuhu Bleed-Proof Marker Pad: ruclips.net/video/7EI21XTMyug/видео.html

Not me hoping this part is as sassy as the first part🙈🙈🙈 Edit: either way I love your videos!

While I love the Ohuhu markers, I have to agree… their bleed proof marker paper is absolute garbage.

Immediate sub. ANd I don't even know if I've subbed an art channel yet

If you refill your markers more often, do you get more than the recommended/average refills out of one refill bottle? 🤔 For example, one webstore said that you can get up to 9 refills for Copic Ciao out of one refill bottle.

Oh no, I just ordered this yesterday 😅 Maybe I could return it... Edit: I tried cancelling the item from my order, hopefully it works 😭 I'll watch more of your videos to find a replacement paper instead

The rendr paper you used still looks gray to me. It's not as gray as the other side, but it really doesn't look yellow. Your review rocks, though! I wanted to see if you had reviews for markers, but you apparently only use Copic markers. But what about people who are not professional artists; don't want to be; and can't afford high end markers like Copic? Even if you personally don't like any other brand of markers, couldn't you recommend the best of the worst for hobbyists like myself? If your channel is geared more towards professional and/or serious amateur artists, I completely understand. It's not a big deal. But it doesn't hurt to ask. 😊

I love all the honest info! Thank you. You have subscriber out of me. To be honest, I think it would have been just as good of not better without bashing others.

I came into this video ready to hate you for throwing shade on a creator I like (who had been having a hard time creatively/mentally) but you definitely changed my mind. I'm glad I hemmed and hawed and missed the June sale for the paper and markers. Their video had me thinking the paper had a buttery smooth surface, so I'm glad to know I didn't waste a couple hundred dollars buying two mediocre pads of paper and a giant marker set that I really don't need (since I have probably 100+ markers combined of Spectrum Noir, Copic, and Blick Studio).

I don’t understand the block people have against buying good marker paper. They don’t do this with other mediums. They’re perfectly willing to buy watercolor paper and they dont try to use oil paint on copy paper. Just buy good paper and quit being weird about it. I’ve actually seen a serious artist say that they weren’t going to “play copic’s game” by using “special” paper. I just don’t get it.

There are only like 2 people I trust about marker paper. Most people think Neenah paper is acceptable for markers. RUclipsrs don’t actually make art with these supplies so their opinions are invalid.

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Real breath of fresh air to know there's a marker artist on youtube who's not all "new pens, time for swatchies, sparkle sparkle!"

Thank you for your honest review. I learned alot about paper and it validated some of the issues I ran into. I got caught up in the hype and purchased this sketchbook. As someone who only does this as a hobby, it is scary to shell out tons of money for the big brands. That and I’ve read lots of reviews online that Rendr paper quality has gone down so this seemed like a safe alternative. I honestly thought I was crazy when I laid down my skin tone colors and they showed up as gray. 😭 It definitely doesn’t bleed through as advertised but that’s about it.

To be honest, even Ohuhu is made in China, it's actually not popular among the Chinese art marker users. Copic is surely ranked the top among the Chinese marker artists but since the price is very high for them so many art students use other Chinese brands instead. Finecolour is the best local art marker brand among the local Chinese instead of Ohuhu. Ohuhu is really a over-hyped and heavily advertised Made in China product to me. And from your ohuhu test on your website, I somehow believe even some of the better Chinese marker brand like Finecolour and Croma behave better than Ohuhu though they are not comparable to copic. Moreover, in China it's easy to get these brands'refills in all colours around $1-1.5usd each but ohuhu cannot provide refills for each colours and sell them much more expensive than the local Chinese brands.

Amy, I so agree with you about the Shitty paper out here for Markers. I'm just sticking with Strathmore Bristol Board and X Press It.

Thanks for the review! I tested this paper on a much simpler, more stylized piece and I liked it for that. Granted, I did not do as much blending as you did. I did notice the grayness when you put down a light color and that really threw me off, and made it difficult to know if I was getting the results I wanted.

I love that you aren't sponsored, resulting in a real unbiased review. But shouldn't you at least try it out with Ohuhu markers? Maybe the composition of the ink in Copics differ from Ohuhu's marker, causing an issues on this kind of paper?

Ur not the only person in the world who hates this paper. I odered it a few days ago and I hated it too. The actual sheets are too thin, ink takes forever to dry. I used several different pigment liner brands on this paper, which I've been using with my alcohol markers on other papers multiple times. So, fineliners that are 100% alcohol marker proof. On this paper tho, they all smeared. I let them dry for 20 minutes and they still all smeared. I've never experienced anyting like it on my other marker papers. I returned it the other day. I'm just glad I ordered it from A-zon, not directly from Ohuhu. So, yeah. Never again. They had the chance to make a proper marker paper this time. Instead they released a bad Rendr knock-off.

This comment isn't going to be completely on topic for the paper pad in the video, but as someone with a huge set of Ohuhu markers (the 200-and-however-many-it-is-I-don't-want-to-check set) who loves them, I wanted to thank you for giving your honest opinion on your website. As much as I love my markers, there are things that have bothered me about them for years, like the nonsensical names and the color-code system which you brought up in your review on the website. Recently I was really bothered when I saw a youtube video comparing Ohuhus to Copics that claimed Ohuhus were just as good as Copics for professional usage, without mentioning the fact that Ohuhus have abysmal lightfastness. Lightfastness is something that I don't worry about, as someone who uses my alcohol markers exclusively for fun, and I feel like it's an acceptable tradeoff for a lower price point, but it would be a massive issue for someone using them in professional avenues. Not mentioning it felt off. I'm also frustrated by the similarity of a good number of their colors. I went through once comparing swatches and testing colors, and counted all the markers I felt were close enough to another color that they were redundant, and I don't recall the number I came up with, but I was not happy about it. There shouldn't be five pinks that are nigh imperceptibly different in value. I've had some iffy feelings about the brand for a while now as prices rose, and the quality of some of their other products (specifically, some of their water markers, which is the only other supply they sell that I've tried) was less than quality. Your article made me realize, though, a lot that I've been missing. I've only ever used Ohuhus, never another brand of alcohol marker, but I had watched plenty of artists use Copics on youtube before I got my first set, and I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong with blending, and the colorless blender, and the like, because I wasn't getting the results and effects I felt like I should. Honestly, eventually I figured that it was a problem with the paper and I just wasn't able to figure out what kind of paper would work best, and then shrugged and learned to work around the issues (and I definitely adapted, finding a style and a process that works within the markers' limitations and lets me create pieces I love), but reading your article made the lightbulb turn on in my brain after however many years it's been. I don't totally agree that Ohuhus aren't worth spending any money on. The relative pricing means there was no way I would ever have been able to try alcohol markers if Ohuhus hadn't been around to try, and having the opportunity to work with even an inferior set made me fall totally in love with the medium that is now my favorite, hands down, so I can't regret the opportunity they gave me. In my opinion, a small set is good to try out the medium when you don't know whether or not you'll like it, enough to give someone a taste of what they can do. But if you really love alcohol markers, it seems like you should probably go for Copic. I wish I had the money to go out and buy some right now, because now that I'm aware of a little more of the differences I am very, very, very curious to try them out and see if the difference is as big as it sounds, but unfortunately I need things like food and gasoline that cut into my art-supply budget. I am apparently incapable of being concise but I will try to boil it down. Thank you for your honest review of the products, both the good and the bad. I appreciate it and I wish someone had really made the differences clear, sooner, so maybe I could have a few Copics by now, but ah well.

I absolutely love your sense of humor as well as your honesty. It took a long time (and a a lot of wasted money) to learn to ignore the hype and just go with the better supplies. I was one of those that starred when the Copic craze hit with the stampers and card makers many, many moons ago… I never learned how to properly use my Copics and there they sat for many years as I gave up. I was overjoyed to find your channel/website. It gave me new hope and well as confidence… yes I can do this! Thank you so very much 💜

I do need all the blue Copics 😂. I used to work dangerously close to a Blick store once a month or so 🙄I’d drop in and buy 5-10 Copics, unfortunately I’ve moved to another state with no Blicks 😢. And yes what’s with the purple markers?

Hey new subscriber and first time watcher. I personally think you’re witty and just hilarious. But the information you are providing is aaaamazing! IM SO GLAD I DIDNT BUY THAT PAPER! 😂😂😂 the reviews were too ridiculous. No one cared HOW the drawing EXPERIENCE was. Just about how it didn’t bleed through and I was so confused bc (you said it eloquently lol) 😢bleed proof paper isn’t new! I am so glad I found your channel. I love artists who can ALSO teach, you are GEMS 💎! ❤

Loved your humor. I had to keep pausing because I was laughing so hard. When I first got into markers, I was so blessed to have found you first rather than the myriad of RUclipsrs. Your tutorials changed the way I color everything and why I kept purchasing my Copics... even just 1 at a time as I could afford them. I can't wait for part 2. I get a lot of flack for sending people to X-Press It paper...hobbyists tend to be cheapskates, not realizing they spend more money on fad junk than if they would have bought the good stuff the first time. Yes, it's expensive but also very forgiving if you make an oops. If you watch for proper sales you can find it at good prices and you can actually learn proper technique that makes you better rather than working on junk and believing its all you...nope its not you, its the junk products holding you back.

I appreciate this critique on the paper. I'm very new to marker art, I've never seen bleed through paper before, and I honestly really like Ohuhu's for the monthish that I've had some stuff from them. I'm super happy to hear that Canson has their own, I'll have to try that out next time I have more sketchbook money. But as someone just playing with the medium, I've been pretty happy with Ohuhu's products. The price point allows people to play around and get a feel for it without having to spend hundreds of dollars.

HI! Young lady

I ordered a large pad of Croma marker paper which I found excellent. I've used the entire pad and now I cannot find it anywhere, but if you see if buy it.

Why I don't wear a bikini. Excellent analogy! 😂😂😂